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Discussion from 1995 
23rd-Sep-2010 02:39 pm
Kyle and Andre
I was at the Paley Center for Media in New York yesterday, and they have an hour-long screened discussion on Homicide from back in March 1995, with Levinson, Fontana, Bromell, Kyle, Andre and Yaphet, among others... quite interesting. I thought the Frankentim shippers among you (I get the sense there are a few on this comm) might enjoy the following: Kyle was talking about how both Pembleton and Bayliss have gradually begun to give into each other, just a little bit, over time, and then he said solemnly/kidding "Next year, they become lovers. And then, a home." (Andre laughed). So, yeah, funny... but I also think it's interesting it shows Kyle was thinking along those lines, three years before they actually outed Bayliss.

Other Pembleton/Bayliss stuff: Andre says that Bayliss helps to open him up and be more sympathetic to the human frailties that he usually tries to repress in himself, while Kyle (kidding) says that Bayliss's entire motivation in the show is to get Pembleton to admit he was wrong, just once, about anything. And he said that Andre was so incredibly supportive as an actor that sometimes it was difficult to get in there and do the really antagonistic Frank/Tim scenes.

Fontana says that the aim over the course of the series is to slowly reverse Pembleton and Bayliss's positions, so that Pembleton becomes the humanist and Bayliss the cynic.

Andre was talking about Pembleton as a manipulator, and how you can manipulate and lie to other people so much that you forget who you are... which I thought was interesting, because I always think of Pembleton as someone with a really strong sense of who he is, whereas Bayliss is more all over the place. I guess this was part of him saying that Bayliss opens Pembleton up to accepting his own humanity more.
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23rd-Sep-2010 04:49 pm (UTC)
Thanks for sharing!
(And I'm not using the Greek for butthead, here)
23rd-Sep-2010 07:35 pm (UTC)
Yet another reason for me to go to New York now ;-)
The friendship between Tim and Frank was one of the main reasons I love that show.
I got my husband watching my boxed set of the series.
He started out only "Meh" about it but grew to love the characters.
He was so upset about the end of season 6 and when I told him that THAT was the one that Braugher finally won an Emmy for, he was as mad as I was that he hadn't gotten one earlier.
(I started him really on season 2 and when Frank had the stroke on the series he was as on the edge of his seat as I am every time I watch it.
I've really been enjoying watching it with him, I'm getting a fresh view of things and he notices things that I didn't.
Is that discussion available to the public to watch?
23rd-Sep-2010 08:32 pm (UTC)
Is that discussion available to the public to watch?

Yep - the Paley Center's open to the public, and it's generally quite a good resource if you're interested in the history of television. Website here: http://www.paleycenter.org. Admission costs $10. There's also a branch in LA. If you're especially interested in a particular program and you email them in advance, they can probably tell you what holdings they have related to it. Aside from just episodes of the show, though, this was the only thing they seemed to have related to Homicide.
23rd-Sep-2010 08:19 pm (UTC)
Thanks for sharing this! :) The partnership of Bayliss and Pembleton is probably my favourite aspect of the entire series. There has never been a better detective paring on television. Ever. And Andre and Kyle are so wonderful in their roles.
23rd-Sep-2010 08:41 pm (UTC)
The partnership of Bayliss and Pembleton is probably my favourite aspect of the entire series. There has never been a better detective paring on television. Ever. And Andre and Kyle are so wonderful in their roles.

Agreed with all of this. :) I think they're one of the most fascinating, complex relationships I've seen in any show, ever.

24th-Sep-2010 02:20 am (UTC)
Agreed. It goes beyond the detective pairing.
24th-Sep-2010 05:57 am (UTC)
Completely agree!
24th-Sep-2010 06:12 am (UTC)
Thank you for sharing; I'm glad to see there's still new information to be found about this show (especially if it's about Frankentim)!

I agree that Frank is the one with a strong(er) sense of his self; even after his religious struggles and doubts, he seems to emerge more sure of his convictions.

Fontana says that the aim over the course of the series is to slowly reverse Pembleton and Bayliss's positions, so that Pembleton becomes the humanist and Bayliss the cynic.

Very interesting! Personally, I always found it a bit out of character when Frank "became the humanist" of the two, especially in 'Double Blind'. Granted, Tim is more the cynic than usual based on his own experience with and reaction to familial abuse. Still, the role reversal felt a bit forced in this episode imho. I understand Tim's reaction, but Frank's...not so much. As Frank says, "You're supposed to be the sensitive one." ;)

Sorry for babbling. Thanks again!
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